Wells Fargo Confusion? NO MI on Loan, but waiting for MI Approval?

What the heck????  This HAFA.  I are waiting for final Investor approval.  This is FNMAE, one loan.  Sale Date moved to 10/24 and we seem to be moving along quickly..all good.  Then yesterday I was told there was MI and that was the hold up.  Homeowner confirmed again that there is no MI.  I called again, and was told, "No, there is no MI on this loan.  However, the Investor has to check with the MI Co. to see if they need a promisory note with this loan."

 

What????  Help me understand???

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KImberley. Just because the borrower didn't pay for MI doesn't mean it's not there. This is probably a policy that was purchased by the investor to protect their interest.

Why not suggest Wells Fargo & the Investor & the MI company confirm current CA law (Senate Bill 458 codified as section 580e of the California Code of Civil Procedure) with their legal departments?

The most recent C.A.R. legal bulletin (Sept 14, 2011) clearly states:

http://www.car.org/legal/foreclosure-short-sale-folder/short-sale-d...

 

Prohibited Acts: Requiring the borrower to pay any additional compensation, aside from the proceeds of the sale, in exchange for written consent to a short sale.

 

Harry -- How has the implementation of that law prohibiting additioal compensation impacted short sale approvals in California?

I ask because I can see it having exactly the opposite effect of what was intended.  Instead of saying, "well, I'd like to get something from the seller, but since the law says I can't, I guess I'll have to just approve the offer as written" ... don't lenders/investors/MI just say "well, since I can't get any more from the seller, I'll just decline the short sale"?

 

What's been actually happening on the ground?

I suspect it may have a more negative impact than intended on transactions involving 2nds. Secondary lien holders may be more prone to play spoiler.

On short sales involving 1st mortgages only, I think it may be forcing banks to consider the short sale based on the merits of the offer, and somewhat take away their previous ability to penalize sellers they suspected of strategically defaulting, by demanding they "share the pain" in the form of a promissory note.

It's basically coming down to take the deal, or don't.

Does the newly enacted CA non-recourse law apply to a 2nd? And to LOC 2nd?

Short Sale Deficiencies Fact Sheet


On July 15, 2011, the California legislature enacted a new law expanding the protection for a homeowner against personal liability after a short sale. In a short sale, a homeowner sells a property for less than the outstanding loan balance owed. The difference between what’s owed on the mortgage loan and what the lender receives as a payoff is called a deficiency. The following charts are easy-to-use reference guides for REALTORS® and their clients to determine the general applicability of anti-deficiency protections for short sales and foreclosure. These charts do not cover all aspects of any individual case or situation.


Short Sale Deficiencies Fact Sheet

General Rule A mortgage lender is generally prohibited from pursuing a deficiency or deficiency judgment for a short sale involving a one-to-four residential unit property.
Prohibited Acts Where applicable, a mortgage lender involved in a short sale is prohibited from engaging in any of the following acts:
- Collecting a deficiency;
- Having a borrower owe a deficiency;
- Requesting a deficiency judgment;
- Having a court render a deficiency judgment; or
- Requiring the borrower to pay any additional compensation, aside from the proceeds of the sale, in exchange for written consent to a short sale.
Applicability A borrower is protected under this law if all of the following requirements are met, and no exception applies:
- Mortgage loan is solely secured by a deed of trust;
- Mortgage loan is for a one-to-four residential unit property;
- Borrower sells for less than the outstanding loan balance owed;
- Lender provides a written short sale approval;
- Title voluntarily transfers to a buyer by grant deed or other conveyance document recorded in the county where the property is located; and
- Proceeds of the sale have been tendered to the lender or lender’s agent in accordance with the parties’ agreement.
Exceptions Exceptions include any of the following:
- Lender seeking damages for fraud or waste;
- Borrower is a corporation, LLC, or limited partnership;
- Cross-collateralized loan (special rules apply);
- Borrower is a political subdivision of the state;
- Bond lien; or
- Public utility lien.
Effective Date July 15, 2011. The new law protects a borrower who closes escrow after the law came into effect on July 15, 2011. For short sales that closed escrow before July 15, 2011, the borrower may be protected for a first trust deed under the previous law or by asserting other legal arguments.
Practice Tip Regardless of the law, it would be prudent for a borrower to obtain the lender’s written and signed agreement to release the borrower from any and all liability for the mortgage loan, and to report “no deficiency balance” to the credit bureaus.
Legal Authority The full text of Senate Bill 458 (codified as section 580e of the California Code of Civil Procedure) is available at www.leginfo.ca.gov.

Short Sale v. Judicial Foreclosure
Is Homeowner (1-to-4 units) Generally Protected Against Deficiency?

Type of Mortgage Loan

After Short Sale *

After Judicial Foreclosure*

First Trust Deed

Yes

Yes, if purchase-money and owner-occupied

Second or Other Junior Trust Deed

Yes

Yes, if purchase-money and owner-occupied

Purchase Money Loan

Yes

Yes, if owner-occupied

Rate-and-Term Refinance

Yes

No

Cash-Out Refinance

Yes

No

Owner Occupied Home

Yes

Yes, if purchase money

Non-Owner Occupied Home

Yes

No

*Note: Certain exceptions may apply, including fraud, bad faith waste, and for foreclosures, a wiped-out junior lienholder when a senior lienholder forecloses. Also, no deficiency judgment shall be rendered if a lender forecloses by non-judicial foreclosure (or a trustee’s sale) (CCP § 580d) or if a loan is seller financed (CCP § 580b). Although most lenders in California foreclose by non-judicial foreclosure, the decision to pursue judicial or non-judicial foreclosure is made by the lender, not borrower. For more information, C.A.R offers our members other legal articles, including Short Sale Deficiencies, available at http://qa.car.org.


The information contained herein is believed accurate as of September 14, 2011. It is intended to provide general answers to general questions and is not intended as a substitute for individual legal advice. Advice in specific situations may differ depending upon a wide variety of factors. Therefore, readers with specific legal questions should seek the advice of an attorney. Written by Stella H. Ling, Esq.

Copyright© 2011, CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS® (C.A.R.). Permission is granted to C.A.R. members only to reprint and use this material for non-commercial purposes provided credit is given to the C.A.R. Legal Department. Other reproduction or use is strictly prohibited without the express written permission of the C.A.R. Legal Department. All rights reserved.

Harry:  I did bring that up immediately, but the woman that day did not know it and when she switched me to the "supervisor', the line went dead.

Bryant..I know that the Buyer didn't have to pay for it to be there, that's why we double checked to see if it was..there is NO MI.  But..as of yesterday, Wells Fargo told me, "The Investor is having an MI Company do the underwriting to see if the numbers work for final approval."  That made more sense to me, although I have never heard that before.  He did not insist on the Promissory note as the woman had the day before.  Once again, I am befuddled by how differently each person that picks up the phone can interpret the "notes on the file."  I am told we are waiting for "Final Investor Approval." and I expect to hear any day. 

 

Thank you all as always for your SMART and informative streams!  SSS rocks!

The Underwriters approved the Short Sale.  We are scheduled to close and all is well..thank you all!

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