Hi All:

I have a listing where I thought I had crossed all the T's and dotted the I's. Long story short (pun), the payoff on the 1st is significantly higher due to arrears and other fees accumulated during 2 loan modifications. 


1st Newrez (PHH) - est $425k payoff

2nd RTR - est $240k payoff

3rd Private - est 25k (verbally agreed to 12k) 

IRS - $25,0000

FTB - $3,000

HOA - $3,000

Shortfall is likely around $50k

1. Will newrez entertain a short payoff since the principal is really around $380k? Back in the 2010 era the first would only allow to be made whole 

2. Would the 1st or 2nd allow any proceeds to go to the seller? 

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  • What's the value?  Is it less than what is owed?  

    • The 1st isn't short. However, the initial figures penciled out some proceeds to the seller with the principal balance. 

      After requesting a formal payoff, the amount shot up by almost $50k and washed out any equity. It turns out that the loan modification signed had a "shared equity" provision of 25% minus improvements made:

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      • Still don't know the most important piece of info here- what is the selling price?

        If it is more than the payoff amount ( not the PB - PB is now irrelevant) + closing costs, you will not get them to short. 

        There are other ways to work this, but no way to advise without a sale price. 

  • How much is the home worth? You likely won't be able to short the first if they have a full equity position. No, you won't be able to have the seller receive proceeds. You likely need to give the IRS 0 and short RTR and the 3rd mortgage. Could try to reduce the amounts to FTB and HOA too, but that's minor based on your numbers.

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