My client is doing a short sale on an investment property. Sales price is $175,000. The first mortgage, Citi, Is taking a short sale and allocating $4,500 towards the second mortgage which is 5th 3rd.

5th 3rd wants the entire remaining balance of $40,000 to be repaid by the seller. 5th 3rd wants the seller’s current 2nd mortgage on the investment property to be transferred as a third mortgage on the seller’s personal residence. The seller may have maximum $5,000 to $10,000 equity in their personal residence, but not really if you factor in selling costs and closing costs.

5th 3rd demands, per some “policy”, to have the seller encumber his personal residence up to 140% of its value.


5th 3rd also disregards the seller’s financial statement. The financial statement shows about $2,000 monthly negative including the loans that are included in the short sale. After the short sale, the seller will be barely breaking even.


5th 3rd claims that according to his credit report he has $2,000 of discretionary income, even though the CREDIT REPORT DOES NOT REFLECT most of his expenses such as groceries, baby expenses (two babies), utilities and most of the expenses needed to run a household. 5th 3rd is plucking numbers out of air and is unwilling to explain their math.


The sellers refuse to jeopardize their personal residence and the roof over their babies’ head and are ready to pull the trigger on a chapter 7 bankruptcy to shake loose of the problem. They have spoken to a BK attorney who confirmed their chapter 7 eligibility. The BK attorney has sent a letter to 5th 3rd clarifying the situation.


5th 3rd also states they would rather get ZERO dollars in a foreclosure and bankruptcy rather than $4,500 now! Does 5th 3rd get reimbursed more by TARP or other source if they get ZERO from the seller?


We have appealed and escalated to a manager, but 5th 3rd’s answer always comes back the same: FIRM DENIAL.

We now want to escalate as high as we can. Does the group have any experience, suggestions or contact info within 5th 3rd?

A similar situation was previously posted at . I have not been able to obtain the phone numbers that were offered in that previous post.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have not run into such a brick wall in the hundreds of liens I have negotiated.

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Working with 5th 3rd Bank on releasing  second or heloc is a sincere waste of time, especially with the new Hafa rules as of 11/01/2012. Have never worked with a more ridiculous group in my life. As a former banker who was well known for getting groups on the same page of a loss mitigation, I've never found a more frustrating internal policy. Threaten the mortgage by always saying no....

not to mention the rudest staff I have ever had the displeasure to work with.....



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